Varied Ph result

[ChrisRD]

Darren, do you have a protein skimmer on this tank?

 

[dearis]

Will go shopping to day for a small powerhead, to go inside the tank, hopefully i will get one in our small town

Regards Darren

 

[Sponge_Bob]

Surface aggitation was implied many times in this thread. Hint : Me asking for any powerheads and their gph and location.

Buffers are not intended to be added once and solve the problem. As water is changed and replaced with water of a differnt pH, a dose of buffer is needed to raise or lower the pH to the desired level. Buffers are NECESSARY when your water is not within acceptable pH range for the fish you are keeping. Ex : Trying to keep South american cichlids in at a pH of 8.5. Most of them will suffer from it as they (most of them) live in acidic waters. If your tap water is alkaline, you have no othr choice, whether you like it or not, to use a buffer.

Buffering compounds are put in ALL salt mixes. Stating that buffers are not needed or not desirable is in contradiction with the above fact.

Some salt mix will work better than others with one's water. It is not uncommon to have different result with different brands of salts. If one doesn't do the job for you, switching to another brand may solve the problem.

Posting a statement is one thing. When argued with, proof is needed. Posting the proof is validating your statement, hence me posting the chemical equation that leads to the lowering of pH when CO2 combines with water.

Saying that americans are easily offended or easily ticked off is not an insult but a fact. I have american friends that will testify to that anytime, anyday. One of my best long time friend is an american and she is the forst one to say that you guys are thin skinned and self-centered. Not my words, hers. I tend to agree with her. Sorry if that's not you wanted to hear.

Saying that homes are so air tight that they are deprived of oxygen to the point of not being able to make proper gas exchange with a properly setup aquarium (surface agitation) is possible. Problem is that if such a house existed, no human being would be able to survive in it for human demand far more oxygen to live than fish do. So if an aquarium is oxygen deprive for that sole reason, imagine how deprived a human would be in such an enviroment. I do not believe this theory to be accurate and factual.

Since the original poster of this question did not answer the questions that were asked to him, I am dropping this thread. No point in trying to help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

 

[dearis]

G'day Chris RD

no skimmer, still learning about such things however we are not planning to have coral, now I am not sure but is a skimmer to rid the tank of waste produce by coral, I think lol

Regards Darren

 

[Anonymous]

The only surface agitation i can provide to this tank is an air pump near the surface to try and reduce co2 hoping it will help and hoping the bubbles wont be too bad in the tank.

Regards Darren

P.S. Ph is 7.9-8.0 flickering between the two

7.8-8 isnt anything serious. Raise it slowly...stability is more important than a quick change to fix a problem.

You could also add a small powerhead pointing up a bit. Surface agitation goes a long way in increasing gas exchange at the surface of the water.

You could also always get a hang on back (hob) small filter. Remove anything in it (filter medium) and just use it empty. I have one, I use it for the surface agitation, a place to put carbon in (or phosban if needed) and also as a great place to dose my b-ionic. I dont have a sump, so it works great in this capacity. Here is a pic of my upper tank with HOB and skimmer working overtime with a good wet skim going

 

[Len]

There have been plenty of experiences to suggest that opening up a window does have a signficant impact on a tank's pH. As you suggested, if you don't believe this can be the case, provide some data or proof for your stance to invalidate the experiences of other hobbyists.

My solution to low pH is usually to provide fresh circulation in the room the aquarium is in, to dose balanced two part additives like C-balance or Bionic, to make sure aeration in the tank is high (good circulation, surface agitation, skimmer), and to make sure there is not too much decaying matter in the aquarium. I am not a fan of buffering or pH adjusting solutions, although if you want to raise pH in a safe and constructive way with chemicals, dripping kalkwasser can do the trick. Just my opinion.

Sponge, saying any nationality or race is "thin skinned and arrogant" is not fact. It is opinion. It is also an offensive opinion and a gross generalization because it belittles hundreds of milllions of people. It's your failure to understand this that is a main cause for your inability to socialize without torqueing a few folks.

Perhaps the original poster did not answer your questions because he did not want your help due to your abrasive and condescending behavior (all the way up until the last post). I'm convinced he wants to be helped. The question is in what manner and by whom.

 

[dearis]

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: Ph

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To be honest have read all this but have refrained from posting fely like a nuf nuf!

Having said that will increase gas/ surface transfer and open doors and windows while it makes sense to do so(in other words until my wife is cold ) and will see if over the next few days if the ph lifts

Thank you to those who helped without the barb wire attached appreciate it

Regards Darren

Thanks Len

Regards Darren

 

[Anonymous]

As water is changed and replaced with water of a differnt pH, a dose of buffer is needed to raise or lower the pH to the desired level. Buffers are NECESSARY when your water is not within acceptable pH range for the fish you are keeping. .

I think your wording is off...

Buffers do not raise or lower pH except in the short term. Buffers are simply a protection against pH drop...in the case of an aquarium...how much acid can be added to the water before there is a pH drop...
A very useful link for you to look over:http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm

I wont dignify the rest of your post about "Americans" and your tendency to agree with such descriptions of us.

If we are so bad, find a bulletin board hosted in your own country to chat on.

 

[ChrisRD]

no skimmer, still learning about such things however we are not planning to have coral, now I am not sure but is a skimmer to rid the tank of waste produce by coral, I think lol

A skimmer is very efficient at removing wastes from the system - most of which are generated by our fish and the food we give them. It's also very effecive at aerating the system water which can help with pH issues.

 

[Anonymous]

G'day Chris RD

no skimmer, still learning about such things however we are not planning to have coral, now I am not sure but is a skimmer to rid the tank of waste produce by coral, I think lol

Regards Darren

I didint see Chris logged in, so I can help in the meantime.

The skimmer removes all waste, more so from the fish than the coral...the opposite of what you were perhaps thinking.

It is incredibly beneficial. The reason it works so well, is that it REMOVES the waste without it recirculating or leeching back into the tank like a classic media filter does.

In essence, it creates a foam by means of highly concentrated air bubbles that float the waste matter up and over a tube that gets smaller as it goes up higher. The waste is thereby removed from any contact with water going back into the tank.

Highly effective. See my pic above, and the "collection cup" on my skimmer. Note the nasty, brownish vomit color of the collected foamy water.

 

[Anonymous]

no skimmer, still learning about such things however we are not planning to have coral, now I am not sure but is a skimmer to rid the tank of waste produce by coral, I think lol

A skimmer is very efficient at removing wastes from the system - most of which are generated by our fish and the food we give them. It's also very effecive at aerating the system water which can help with pH issues.

Sorry Chris...didnt see you there when I answered

 

[dearis]

Thanks guys.....

 

[Sponge_Bob]

There have been plenty of experiences to suggest that opening up a window does have a signficant impact on a tank's pH. As you suggested, if you don't believe this can be the case, provide some data or proof for your stance to invalidate the experiences of other hobbyists.

My solution to low pH is usually to provide fresh circulation in the room the aquarium is in, to dose balanced two part additives like C-balance or Bionic, to make sure aeration in the tank is high (good circulation, surface agitation, skimmer), and to make sure there is not too much decaying matter in the aquarium. I am not a fan of buffering or pH adjusting solutions, although if you want to raise pH in a safe and constructive way with chemicals, dripping kalkwasser can do the trick. Just my opinion.

Sponge, saying any nationality or race is "thin skinned and arrogant" is not fact. It is opinion. It is also an offensive opinion and a gross generalization because it belittles hundreds of milllions of people. It's your failure to understand this that is a main cause for your inability to socialize without torqueing a few folks.

Perhaps the original poster did not answer your questions because he did not want your help due to your abrasive and condescending behavior (all the way up until the last post). I'm convinced he wants to be helped. The question is in what manner and by whom.

First of all, if you are unable to understand that if a home is so deprived of O2 that an aquarium with good surface aggitation can not make the CO2 ---> O2 exhange, you have a serious problem of logic. People live in that place. How can they POSSIBLY survive? Did you even take a nano second to ponder on that before posting?

Second, I did not say that americans were arrogant. I said they were easily offended and ticked-off. My american friend, commenting on her OWN people said that they were self-centered and thin-skinned. Your reply seems to prove it right... or at least that you did not take a nano second to read and reflect on what I was saying.

Third, I was not the only one that asked him questions about his setup. He did not feel the need to reply to either one of us. So I guess your judgment goes for the both of us or is it solely directed at me?

Anyway... no answers to our questions, no clue as to what a skimmer is for... It's all yours Len! Have fun!!! :lol: I'll check on your progress in a few months... if any.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks guys.....

NP! Just remember, everyone will have differing opinions on this hobby. That is what makes it fun. Nothing is cut and dry, and people have found many ways to be successful, as there ARE many ways to be. NO 2 tanks are alike at all. The basics are all about the same, but beyond that...it is a learned process that isnt always based on strict scientific protocol.

Point is, take what you can from all of us, apply what YOU think will work best, and go from there.

And most of all....take a little while every now and then, and do NOTHING but stare at the wonder of it all...

 

[Anonymous]

There have been plenty of experiences to suggest that opening up a window does have a signficant impact on a tank's pH. As you suggested, if you don't believe this can be the case, provide some data or proof for your stance to invalidate the experiences of other hobbyists.

My solution to low pH is usually to provide fresh circulation in the room the aquarium is in, to dose balanced two part additives like C-balance or Bionic, to make sure aeration in the tank is high (good circulation, surface agitation, skimmer), and to make sure there is not too much decaying matter in the aquarium. I am not a fan of buffering or pH adjusting solutions, although if you want to raise pH in a safe and constructive way with chemicals, dripping kalkwasser can do the trick. Just my opinion.

Sponge, saying any nationality or race is "thin skinned and arrogant" is not fact. It is opinion. It is also an offensive opinion and a gross generalization because it belittles hundreds of milllions of people. It's your failure to understand this that is a main cause for your inability to socialize without torqueing a few folks.

Perhaps the original poster did not answer your questions because he did not want your help due to your abrasive and condescending behavior (all the way up until the last post). I'm convinced he wants to be helped. The question is in what manner and by whom.

First of all, if you are unable to understand that if a home is so deprived of O2 that an aquarium with good surface aggitation can not make the CO2 ---> O2 exhange, you have a serious problem of logic. People live in that place. How can they POSSIBLY survive? Did you even take a nano second to ponder on that before posting?

Second, I did not say that americans were arrogant. I said they were easily offended and ticked-off. My american friend, commenting on her OWN people said that they were self-centered and thin-skinned. Your reply seems to prove it right... or at least that you did not take a nano second to read and reflect on what I was saying.

Third, I was not the only one that asked him questions about his setup. He did not feel the need to reply to either one of us. So I guess your judgment goes for the both of us or is it solely directed at me?

Anyway... no answers to our questions, no clue as to what a skimmer is for... It's all yours Len! Have fun!!! :lol: I'll check on your progress in a few months... if any.

*sigh*

IBTB

 

[Len]

I do not appreciate you suggesting I or others have a "serious problem of logic." This is the type of insults that is unnecessary (explain how this statement is constructive in the least bit). I also do not appreciate you suggesting I have a poor reading comprehension.

Gas mixture levels differ from location to location. The ambient gas levels of, say, the rainforest versus the Himalayans, is vastly dissimiliar, and yet people can survive in both environments. The point I'm tring to make is people's anatomies are adaptive and tolerant. Just because it does not effect our mortality does not mean it does not effect other functions or organisms.

I don't know what race or nationality you are, but I think it is grossly unfair to categorize your people group based on how you have behaved. You have been extremely antagonistic, rude, and condescending to me and others Perhaps it's not a problem of us being sensitive but you lacking sensitivity. You seem just as easily peeved (e.g. you got disturbed by someone calling you "dude"!)

 

[Sponge_Bob]

A skimmer is very efficient at removing wastes from the system - most of which are generated by our fish and the food we give them. It's also very effecive at aerating the system water which can help with pH issues.

See what I mean... you are not even consequent with the theories you say are valid. In case you didn't know, CO2 has a greater molecular attraction for water than O2. That is why we need surface agitation to make the CO2 go away. Now, you are saying that injecting air from the room is a great way of aerating the system... yet you suspect that the air is deprived of O2 and contains a lot of CO2 due to lack of aeration of the house as stated and maintain that it's a valid theory. Aren't you shooting yourself in the foot here?

Just goes to show you... I do agree with you that a skimmer is a great way to increase the aeration of the tank for I do not believe the theory that says that a house is deprived of O2 to the point of not being able to make the gas exchange.

Just toying with you a bit (in good fun) so you feel how it is to have your words twisted and applied to unsound theories that make no sense. I'm sure you get my point of view.

 

[dearis]

Did not wish or hope to get in the middle of a shite fight........

 

[Omni2226]

Im a easy going person but sponge..ya need to give it a rest.

Darren..this is a new tank setup right? I have a new tank set up too and was worried about PH and calcium and all the other stuff.

Then a guy at the fishstore told me thi:
"Its a new system give it 6 months before you worry about crap like that. Do your 10% monthly water changes, add a few powerheads and filters to keep the water moving real good and enjoy watching the fish till the 6 months is up"

Sounds real good to me. Keep reading and asking questions, but dont worry too much about numbers till the tank is 2 or 3 months old and your ready to start spending big money on a really pretty fish or two.

In the mean time buy a smallish cheap fish like a chromis or a damsel and enjoy watching things grow on the rocks.

 

[Len]

Just goes to show you... I do agree with you that a skimmer is a great way to increase the aeration of the tank for I do not believe the theory that says that a house is deprived of O2 to the point of not being able to make the gas exchange.

No one has postulated this theory. Many here, however, have stated that the ambient gas levels of a closed interior space could have different concentrations of certain gases that may alter the function of gas exchange between water and air. I don't see how this is illogical or hard to believe.