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The FDA said:
"There is no evidence that these genetically engineered zebra danio fish pose any more threat to the environment than their unmodified counterparts which have long been widely sold in the United States,"

I said:
"if Glofish could conceivably escape, then most of the tropical fish that FW hobbyists keep could too, right? Seems like wild type animals could just as easily push out a native species as the GM ones."

The FDA is:
"currently evaluating the safety of an Atlantic salmon with designer genes to make it grow five times as fast as its natural cousins."

I said:
"food fish farmers have fish that are genetically modified to grow faster, and no one seems to have a problem with it!"

I think I should work for the FDA, we think alike...
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Well I got to see these fish last night,

The store I help out at refuses to sell them to the public,
much like painted glass cats and parrot cichlids
but as a joke they were added into a display tank.

(1) they look just like other danio's under normal lights

(2) they need a black light to glo

I think they are more of a novelty that may go away like a fad.
 

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Why not put a restriction on some of the children being produced in labs? Hell, we alter the genes of humans to have different hair and eye colors or types.

I for one don't want to be around when these altered childern "escape into the world". What if one of my kids eat one of them or even breeds with one?!
 

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Why GloFish won't glow in California


Sam Schuchat
December 17, 2003
SFGate


California found itself in the national spotlight earlier this month when it became the only state to ban the sale of a genetically engineered pet fish called the GloFish. As a member of the state Fish and Game Commission that made this decision, I caught some flak afterward: Who were we, critics said, to interfere with the right of consumers to purchase a glow-in-the-dark fish?

This wasn't the first time the commission dealt with transgenic organisms, which are created when a gene from one species is implanted in another species. Earlier this year, the commission voted to allow transgenic organisms only for research purposes, with a permit issued under stringent precautions by the state Department of Fish and Game. Certainly there is tremendous potential in this technology to improve the quality of human life. But at the same time, California has a rich and irreplaceable biological heritage that must be safeguarded. Imagine the damage if some new genetically engineered creature got loose in our environment -- and devoured or crowded out a unique native species.

In the case of the GloFish -- a zebra fish that glows red because it has been altered with a gene from a sea coral -- our staff told us there was little risk of hurting native species. Zebra fish are a tropical freshwater species unlikely to survive in California's chilly waters. Moreover, being bright red, they would be easy prey.

But we decided to ban the GloFish anyhow. Why? For the three of us who voted no, it was a decision based on values. Moving a gene from one species to an entirely different species is an awesome display of human ingenuity and power over nature and should not be done for trivial purposes. It is not the same as breeding farm animals: Cows don't mate with pigs. In instances where a transgenic organism can help feed the hungry, heal the sick or clean up the environment, the benefits may justify some level of risk. But creating a novelty pet is a frivolous use of this technology. No matter how low the risk is, there needs to be a public benefit that is higher than this.

Some people have criticized the commission for injecting values and ethics into this debate. In fact, the Fish and Game Commission has always dealt with ethics. It was created in part to ensure that hunting was practiced ethically. We still grapple with the issue of "fair chase" in hunting and have rules based on notions of what is ethical in the treatment of animals. I don't think that it is possible to make policy without values, and I know that I would not want to live in a country that divorced values from policymaking.

Science only tells us what we can do, not what we should do. Scientists seldom speak in certainties, and even proponents of the commercial sale of transgenic fish will admit that low risk is not the same as zero risk, and zero risk is impossible to attain. Because selling transgenic zebra fish as pets has no public benefit, and there is always some risk, the commission voted not to start down the path toward genetically modified pets.

Transgenic organisms are beginning to make their mark on daily life. We need to proceed carefully, because creating new organisms is not like building a new car. Creatures escape or are released into our environment, and there they can reproduce, affecting us and every living thing. This is an area that ought to be regulated by the federal government, if not by international treaty.

Unfortunately, no single federal agency has taken responsibility for regulating this technology, nor do there seem to be any international covenants. Someone needs to take a thoughtful look at the implications of creating transgenic organisms -- what it means for our society, our environment and for future generations. I urge the federal government to tackle this knotty issue. But until they do -- it's up to us.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/12/17/EDGQV3KOLB1.DTL
 

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Ernie

I guess I can’t give you an actual reason “WHY” other than I just personally don’t feel it’s right!

As I stated before I agree that GM technology is useful for scientific & medical research! I also agree with your statement “I think that they are moot in this case.” In "This" case, I don’t see these glo-fish causing any environmental or health problems either! I do however see it as a open door to the opportunity to be able to abuse the technology!
 

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LFS42":clfpbb3c said:
Well I got to see these fish last night,

The store I help out at refuses to sell them to the public,
much like painted glass cats and parrot cichlids
but as a joke they were added into a display tank.

(1) they look just like other danio's under normal lights

(2) they need a black light to glo

I think they are more of a novelty that may go away like a fad.

I just wanted to jump in and say that they look a little better than a regular zebra danios under normal light. They have much more red. I snapped a picture of some that were not under the influence of overhead lighting. For whatever reason the color is more apparent when viewed from overhead. We got in 5 a couple of weeks ago for $3.00 each. We now have them in a tank with some bala sharks and no one has even noticed them. I had them in a little tank with some blue lights, but they weren't glowing. At $6.00 or more I don't think that the demand will be great. I wish they would have put the genes into a spotted cube fish instead. They could have called it Pandora's Box. :wink:
 

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