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Nibbs

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Hello all,

I am looking to see if anyone has tried the product Marine SAT made by Aquatic BioControl/TLC Products. It is a non-chemical solution to get rid of algae. Since this product is supposed to fight for nutrients in the water, how will mushrooms, leathers, and others handle this treatment?

I have tried just about everything in the book to get rid of green hair with no goood luck yet.

Thanks
Nibbs
 

saltcritter

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8O

Drip Kent marine kalkwasser mix.

www.kentmarine.com

bye bye hair. :wink:

2 weeks slow drip and your going to smile again. :wink:

If you set your tanks up with proper bio and tons of Detro kit stuff, you will not see this in the first place.

It all takes time and from the ground up to build a better reef. You now have to go in re-vers to get ahead. :?

Good luck and clean that bio out more often, you might have nastiee excess buildups. 8O


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saltcritter

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I THINK? all the good books teach you how to start and go into this slowly and build a tank up with out running into your hair problems. The hobby is not geard towards fighting hair, its about growing a proper system.
Buy better/$80+buck books, the $15-30buckers should be used for pics only, cut the picks out and toss the media.

It is said:

Bad things happen fast and Great things happen very slowly.

Build up your ca to 450-600 and kick that Corlin and drip the Kalk and you will see the fruits.

Keep cleaning the outside units and bio. Leave inside alone for a few months.

I am only guessing you a good DSB , 4-6 cm?, and you have good skimmer+ you have proper lighting, THE! most important factor, maybe a 175-400w MH system to start? :roll:

Buy a couple Detro kits. Contact!! Admin here for good Sponcer that supplies Det kits.

Build your system up. :wink:


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Hey Nibbs,

Have you looked at the thread called "Just the FAQ's"?
There is a link there to good info of ridding yourself of hair algae.
You've probably tried most of the suggestions, but maybe not.
I wouldn't use the product you're mentioning. Sounds like snake oil in my opinion.
Good luck to you.
 

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Nibbs, what are you using for source water? Test it, make sure you aren't importing nitrates/silicates/phosphates into the system. Also, how often are you doing water changes, and how much? What are your tank parameters-size, filtration used, temp, salinity, nitrate/phosphates in tank, livestock, lighting? I have heard that you can set up two tanks, run identiticaly, and yet one has a major hair algae problem, while the other does not. This is far from the norm though, usually its something that's been overlooked.
 
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Hmm. I saw a jug of this stuff at the LFS last night.
The LFS say's that it did HELP him rid a tank of green hair algea.

I read the directions to the stuff and it clearly indicates that it alone will not rid an algea problem. It claims to use bacteria to naturally consume phosphates and nitrates. The directions seemed straightforward and honest. The directions clearly indicate that regular 20% water changes and not overfeeding are the keys to limiting nuessance algeas. I believe the product may be worth checking into. I don't have any algea problems at the moment, (knock on wood :wink:) so I won't be the test dummy! I friend of mine is considering using it. I'll post the results if he chooses to use this product.

Louey
 

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I would also think about it if you have a refugia with macro algae. What does that stuff do to the macro algae if it kills the micro and hair algae. I have a 90 gallon Ref with a nasty hair algae problem and just scrubbing the sides and adding about 30 Astrea snails and they are eating the stuff like crazy. Just my .02. :)
 
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Louey wrote:

Hmm. I saw a jug of this stuff at the LFS last night.
The LFS say's that it did HELP him rid a tank of green hair algea

the observation in the first sentence explains the account in the second, and vice versa(read-sales pitch :wink: )-or coincidental, anecdotal observation, with a conclusion implying a cause and effect relationship that is absolutely unproven/unsubstantiated.

It claims to use bacteria to naturally consume phosphates and nitrates. The directions seemed straightforward and honest.

to the best of my knowledge, all bacteria produce phosphate as a waste product(krebs cycle/cellular respiration), and no bacteria consumes more phosphate than it excretes-i'd say the directions are misleading and absolutely dishonest.

it is snake oil.period-most, if not all, of these types of products are.in fact-having worked in lfs's, and seen many different 'aid additive' products come and go-i will vehemently state that 90% or better of ALL products sold for this industry are completely unnecessary, or ineffective, for the hobbyist, with perhaps the exception of making him/her feel better from the act of spending money in an attempt to solve a symptom,instead of treating the root cause of, a problem. :roll: :wink:

lfs's that push these products do it for one reason only-it helps them earn a living(or they don't know any better than to get their education from product labels as source info :wink: )

if hobbyists would do just a little research/self education on what the real causes of algae growth are, and the methods available to remove these, completely-the hobby would be much easier, and cheaper for the hobbyists. :wink:

Louey-this is in no way a flame directed at you :) -just using your relayed statements of the product and the lfs to make a point(and flame them! :twisted: )

fwiw-it would probly be good advice(i hope!)for all hobbyists to avoid buying anything that has a 'claim' on the label-without scientific tests/results/data to support that claim-marc weiss fans-take notice! :wink:

Nibbs wrote:

Since this product is supposed to fight for nutrients in the water, how will mushrooms, leathers, and others handle this treatment?

Nibbs-

it doesn't-period.
get rid of the nutrients through proper management techniques-much cheaper and easier-only requires patience, and a little bit of self education.. :wink:

good luck, and keep us posted :D
hth
 
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Originally posted by Vitz:

if hobbyists would do just a little research/self education on what the real causes of algae growth are, and the methods available to remove these, completely-the hobby would be much easier, and cheaper for the hobbyists.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

The product label clearly stated that the product could NOT completely eliminate hair algea and that you would still have to remove the dead hair algea from the rocks by scrubbing. And as previously stated, water changes and not overfeeding were listed as the best way to contoll algea.

Vitz, I'm not at all flamed by your comments. :wink: I am interseted to see if the product can in fact help a fellow reefer battle hair algea. I wouldn't wish what I went through on anyone, not even saltcritter. :P

Louey
 

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