fish problems

[sammy32lee]

Currently have a 75 gallon tank with live sand, live rock(about 50lbs)
2 clowns, 1 blue hippo, 1 annuleris angel, 1 yellowtail damsel, 1 engineer goby. Recently I noticed one of the clowns had a cotton like substance near his gill and a white dot right before his tail(looks like a pimple all ready to burst, before you pop it) and both clowns mouth looked fungusy. they are active and eat well. someone suggested melafix or paraguard. do i quaratine them? if i do how long? 2. my angel has pale spots(i don't think it's ich) but he too is active and eats well. what to do? checked water at home and lfs but water levels were good all around. somesome suggested mardel coppersafe or ich attack. do i quaratine him and how long?
thanks

 

[Awibrandy]

You know we are going to want parameters.

Is this a reef or fish only? If fish only; is there live rock in the system?

Regardless of which medication you altimately go with it is HIGHLY recommended that you do so in a hospital tank. Never ever add meds to a reef.................
Sounds more like a fungus infection on the clowns, but no pic is hard to say.
Can you please post pics?
I don't believe anyone here will recommend med without knowing exactly what is the problem...

 

[sammy32lee]

Fowlr
About 70lbs rock
Amonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 5ppm
Temp 77F
Salinity 1.023
As I said just the above named fish and no corals although I would like to add some eventually. I QTd the two clowns for now. I will try to post a pic if I can get one.

 

[KathyC]

Yes, a pic would be most helpful.
Had you recently gotten the clowns? Were they the most recent addition to the tank?

 

[aznt1217]

-Do NOT put copper in the main tank. You will not be able to keep any invertebrates once that is done.

-Right now, the best thing you can do is feed food dipped in garlic or food that contains garlic.

 

[Domboski]

-Do NOT put copper in the main tank. You will not be able to keep any invertebrates once that is done.

-Right now, the best thing you can do is feed food dipped in garlic or food that contains garlic.

Treating the fish with copper in the DT (When a FOWLR) is better than letting them die.

 

[D1J8Z]

-Do NOT put copper in the main tank. You will not be able to keep any invertebrates once that is done. quote]

This statement is not true, copper will eventually be removed from the tank with the use of carbon and water changes and in time will eventually be safe for inverts again, some inverts might even survive treatment. If you have inverts it would be in thier best interest to take them out while treating a tank if you can.

 

[sammy32lee]

KAthy - the clowns were actually first in the tank

I forgot to mention that I do have a CUC and cleaner shrimp so copper in the display is no good anyway

 

[Semibfy]

-Do NOT put copper in the main tank. You will not be able to keep any invertebrates once that is done. quote]

This statement is not true, copper will eventually be removed from the tank with the use of carbon and water changes and in time will eventually be safe for inverts again, some inverts might even survive treatment. If you have inverts it would be in thier best interest to take them out while treating a tank if you can.

i dont think it is good idea to dose Cu in FOWLR. You can not get rid of Cu absorbed by the rocks. Even certain substrate can absorb Cu.
In the empty tank with just water, I agree with use of Carbon/heavy metal remover but never in tank with LR.
I would never dose with any med when the tank will eventually be Reef.

 

[KathyC]

We need to back up a sec here..until we see the pics we do not know what is going on and I believe the copper suggestions that have been made are in regard to the one spot near the fishes tail ..and that simply isn't enough information to be suggestion anything.
Additionally he is describing a cotton type growth by the mouth and possible fungus on the body.
Fish that are treated for the wrong ailment often end up worse off than doing nothing at all.

Let's all just wait for the pics before the copper battle continues

Can you please post pics of both the clowns and the angel if possible?

 

[sammy32lee]

pic 1

after hours of trying to get a decent shot of the fishes
i can't seem to upload photos

 

[aznt1217]

Lol, let me back up about my statement on copper. I think it is for the experienced reefers such as Dom, etc. to be on the safe side. That and we have very little details on what this tank is set up like. I only said garlic because... well it's universal .

For pictures. You can put it on photobucket or something and tag it with

 

[KathyC]

Here are 2 of the pics of Sammy's fish..

The files were kind of ...large..lol..when I have an free hour, I'll post a couple of more for him

 

[sammy32lee]

Thank you KathyC~ really appreciate your help~

 

[KathyC]

Thank you KathyC~ really appreciate your help~

You're very welcome Sam

I guess you want an opinion now huh? I'm so tired I don't know that I could tie my shoes..but here goes...I wouldn't do anything radical.
I'd get some Selcon and soak their food in it, feed them a well balanced diet and keep up on the water changes and make sure all of your parameters stay in line.

What do you normally feed these guys?

I also wouldn't add any other fish to the tank at this point..just in case. Any corals in the tank that could have stung the clown?

 

[aznt1217]

Something may have bit the clown?

 

[sammy32lee]

no corals in tank just fish and live rocks. i usually feed then flakes. frozen brine shrimp every other day with two drop of garlic extreme once a week in there food

 

[sammy32lee]

LFS said i should use ich attack they said it was safe for DT. what do you think

 

[KathyC]

Each time you feed the mysis - soak it for a few minutes beforehand in a little water with the garlic extreme.
Do you feed any nori or seaweed for the angel?? They need veggies in thei diet Get some food (pellets or flake) that is specifically for angels.

 

[KathyC]

LFS said i should use ich attack they said it was safe for DT. what do you think

ARGH
The LFS is ...:sigh:
No. Just no. You don't seem to have any ich going on there, why would you treat for it? ..and besides, that stuff is garbage. (IMO)
I promise you..that spot by the clowns tail has got absolutely nothing to do with ich..is that what they are basing their opinion on? They're wrong.