Global Collapse? of Fish Species

[drunktank]

Worth a Read, it was on CNN all day. supposedly by 2050 we wont be eating shrimp, crab cakes etc.

I believe it, the oceans so delicate, everytime one species goes, a food sources is literally disappearing for other species, and when they cant eat, they die. I think with our coral reefs dying, fish species going byebye- my kids might not be able to enjoy the oceans as we do today


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/science/03fish.html?_r=1&ref=science&oref=slogin

 

[SlamaJama]

wow...makes u think..

 

[fritz]

Makes you wonder why it's so easy to write an alarmist article and have it get picked up by the BBC, CNN and the AP. I laughed out loud when I read this. Come on within 50 years! hahahahahahaha
That is ridiculous also I'd like to point out that the ocean is very far from delicate. There will be corals and fish in the ocean long after the ants have taken over and eaten our bodies. Life originated in the ocean, it's been going strong for hundreds of billions of years. Through volcano activity, ice ages, polar shifts, meteor collisions, earthquakes and sunamis. On top of that we've barely explored the ocean and know very very little about it. Well, except for the guy that wrote this article of course.

The ocean takes up most of the planet and life will see to it that everything stays in balance. If we were to create hundreds of millions of tons of methane gas an algae that loves methane would bloom and take care of it. Any extra resource would eventually create a bloom in correspponding organisms. If the temp of the ocean rises then the area hospitable to reefs will increase. Some fish will die and others will take their place. Look at the "reefs" that exist in volcanic vents! Those are one of the most "toxic" environments on our planet yet they are teaming with life that consume what we would normally consider to be toxic chemicals.

On a side note I always wanted to do a skit of some sort where g_d was a little kid with a fish tank. First he had a planted tank, then he wanted a lizard tank, then mamals, etc.

 

[ming]

Makes you wonder why it's so easy to write an alarmist article and have it get picked up by the BBC, CNN and the AP. I laughed out loud when I read this. Come on within 50 years! hahahahahahaha
That is ridiculous also I'd like to point out that the ocean is very far from delicate. There will be corals and fish in the ocean long after the ants have taken over and eaten our bodies. Life originated in the ocean, it's been going strong for hundreds of billions of years. Through volcano activity, ice ages, polar shifts, meteor collisions, earthquakes and sunamis. On top of that we've barely explored the ocean and know very very little about it. Well, except for the guy that wrote this article of course.

The ocean takes up most of the planet and life will see to it that everything stays in balance. If we were to create hundreds of millions of tons of methane gas an algae that loves methane would bloom and take care of it. Any extra resource would eventually create a bloom in correspponding organisms. If the temp of the ocean rises then the area hospitable to reefs will increase. Some fish will die and others will take their place. Look at the "reefs" that exist in volcanic vents! Those are one of the most "toxic" environments on our planet yet they are teaming with life that consume what we would normally consider to be toxic chemicals.

On a side note I always wanted to do a skit of some sort where g_d was a little kid with a fish tank. First he had a planted tank, then he wanted a lizard tank, then mamals, etc.

I'm sure by current trends, they are correct, but it most likely wont happen because there are a lot of activist which will prevent things like that. And we are causing extinction in many more animals then are being created. Sure life survived after the meteors hits us, just ask all the dinosaurs, if you consider that surviving. But that is getting a little off topic. The issue is that we are killing off things which we use as food.

 

[scarf_ace1981]

fritz has a point. i couldn't have said it any better.

the reef inhabitants we now today can be wiped out but new ones will emerge. it's the cycle of life.

 

[DonCisco]

Anyone for grilled Komodo dragon, served with a steaming bowl of galapos turtle soup, mesclun salad garnished with pepermint and halequin shrimps, with a side of squamosa chutney.
I don't know, but I don't think that the sky is falling.... yet

 

[ming]

I don't know, but I don't think that the sky is falling.... yet

Yeah, I completely agree. Thats generally why people like to fix a bridge rather then wait for it to collapse.

 

[jhale]

I think some of you guys missed the point to the article.

New fish species will not just appear overnight within our lifetimes.

On a side note, does anyone else find it ironic that the man who led the fish research is named Dr. Worm :lol2:

 

[scarf_ace1981]

New fish species will not just appear overnight within our lifetimes.

true. but they won't diappear overnight eitherunless something catastrophic occurs.

btw there are new species found all the time. whether it be fish, crustaceans, amphibians or mammals. the earth is a very big place, manyareas on land haven't been explored by man, let alone the ocean.

 

[MightyMike]

I wouldn't definitively classify this as alarmist, but it would be safe to say that new species are discovered all the time. This also isn't to say that those "new" species are popping up like cartoons instantaneously. Another interesting read from October: http://www.divester.com/2006/10/31/100-new-species-discovered-in-northwestern-hawaiian-islands-mari/

 

[jhale]

true. but they won't diappear overnight eitherunless something catastrophic occurs.

btw there are new species found all the time. whether it be fish, crustaceans, amphibians or mammals. the earth is a very big place, manyareas on land haven't been explored by man, let alone the ocean.

:arg: guys this article details the overfishing of the worlds oceans from the 1950's to today. this is not made up facts.
looking at the data they are predicting that certain species will be overfished and will disapear.

and just because new species are discovered does that mean it's okay to wipe out a few every year? :irked: let's be responsible.

 

[scarf_ace1981]

j don't get :irked:. i should tell you, i didn't read the article. :shhh:

 

[ming]

Look at the passenger pigeons. From a population of 5 billion to extinction in about a century. Nothing catastrophic except humans shooting them.
Or the dodo bird which was eaten to extinction. Supposedly tasted very good and meatier then a chicken. Too bad we'll never know what they tasted like now.

 

[JHOV2324]

Hey if any animal/fish comes even close to extinction they should just look into cloning them and farming them......put it back into the ocean and let life take its course....i'll probably get flamed 4 sayin this

Think about it...if a certain animal we use for food like salmon is on the verge of extinction...i would eat a cloned salmon.....or cow or chicken..cause in the end its in a frozen package that says purdue...or other....fritz made a very good point though....the ocean wud have to run dry b4 it is ever on the verge of a downfall...

 

[ming]

I dont think a salmon will be cloned because they go back to the rivers where they were born to spawn. They might be artifically fertilized though.

 

[JHOV2324]

well ok i just used salmon as an example......

 

[ellebelle]

Posted by Eric... didn't realize Lissa was logged in.

This article doesn't go into too much detail or provide many examples, but some sharks are endangered and yet they are still fished for shark fin soup in some parts of the world. I agree that the article is alarmist, but at the same time a single species can be wiped out if things don't change. If this were to be a specific shark, for instance, we would eliminate the top of the food chain in the ocean which would cause some problems. My guess is that in 2050 we will still have most of the foods we eat (many are now being farm raised), but it is a bit of a wake up call for the fishing industry, as without fish, there is no profit.

Although...
I am all for reef diving off New York shores!