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getsteppin

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You know, I was very enthusiastic about www.garf.org when I first set up my 29 gallon reef tank. I had been to their web site often to read about what GRUNGE can do for my tank, what with all its attributes, crustacian spores seeding my tank, sponges and coral spores just busting out..after a 6-8 week turn over, cycling, of which fro an established tank as mine is, 2 monthes is nothing when it comes to 'seeding' a tank. I had no problem and when I was ready this past October '06, I ordered thru their web page. I was amazed at the 'substrate' actually its just argonite with a few sprinkles of some colored rocks and some old shells mixed in.
Then the crabs and the snails came....the "Cleaning Crew' they so adroitly portray on their web site, Uh-Huh. 2/3rds of those have all since died, try getting the dead from out behind 52lbs of LR.
Thru the 'cycling time', I attempted to ask them about the 'coral' they put in my oreder for 'FREE'. I sent email after email and left 4 voice mails, with no RESPONSE what so ever. To get the response I did get, I sent an email to their web master, telling him these people do not communicate after the sale. Ive NOT seen my money back NOR any replace product.
Well, its the 17th of January, 2007 and as of about 3 weeks ago, I let LeRoy know just how great this GRUNGE is and here is his response to the email I sent to him. And, Ive YET to hear from them since>>

Hello, I am sorry that you are having no success with our
GRUNGE.
Please allow me to refund your money, and replace the product.
The grunge is a living product, and we feel bad that your small
batch was not all you hoped for. Shipping companies do
sometimes allow the packages to get too hot or too cold.
Thank you for your feedback.


> From: getsteppin
> Date: 2007/01/06 Sat AM 02:55:30 EST
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: whats in my tank?
>
> Ok LeRoy, its been 2 monthes since I added 7 lbs of what?
> All the 'grungy' things of which is suppose to be showing up after
the first 2 months in an established tank, as you so eleoquently
portrayed to the world thru your web site...........aint happenin.
> I have a 5 year old 29 gallon DSB, where is 'all the GREATNESS
of your grunge?
> where is the sponge spores 'growing wildly' out of everything?
>
> I think Ive been took
>
> i asked for grunge plus @$5.00 per pound.
> i paid for 5lb and got 7....woooo-weeeeee!
> 7 lbs of Argonite @ $5.00 lb.
>
> What have I got in my tank?
> that stuff 'grunge PLUS(?) is as sparkley clean as the AgraLive
Ive had for years.
>
> I dont beleive you folks are the people you have portrayed
yourselves to be.
>
> All the while, laughing all the way to the bank.
>
> the last time I talked to Sally she sounded like she was about to
die, same as last year.
> The only way I can tell she is still around is the time stamp on her
'posts'
> iam disappointed. I think your're selling crap.
>
> getsteppin
> Bentonville, Arkansas
>



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wade1

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To be honest, almost anything claiming miracles is a take.

That said, you can get great diversity through trading with local reefkeepers. Reefs.Org offers forums for local clubs, as well as local club listings. Another option (often free) is to get the detritus from a rock holding/curing tank at a LFS and seed with it.

Just beware of pests coming in with exchanges or from stores... otherwise, any of those options are more viable than shipping from an unknown source IMO.
 

getsteppin

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Thanks for the support, Wade.
I had an email back from LeRoy just now.....he must have read my post, I sent him the URL.
He stated he needs my phone number so he can get my oder out to me TODAY, and get my refund back to me also.

Ill be back. Later
 

getsteppin

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Today is 2/3/07, a week ago LeRoy from GARF.ORG called and left a message that he was going to call me right back, I got his V/mail and returned his call followed with an email and attached the Online Banking statement showing the amount GARF.ORG debited from my account.
No credit back to my account yet and NO...... "Iam gonna call you back for your credit card # to CREDIT your account" PHONE CALL from GARF.ORG either.
My LFS has had some customers comming in wanting seeding dentritus rubble just as you mentioned of whom the same folks BROUGHT IN some GRUGE from GARF.ORG they had bought, same story. WORTHLESS.

Iam going to be back to this post with an update, whenever that is.

IN THE MEANTIME>>>>anyone Googling' this post looking for GARF.ORG>>>> BEWARE, these people are NOT the people they portray themselves to be.
 

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