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digitalreefer

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Lissa and I sat down today to frag some large rocks and documented it for your viewing pleasure.

Warning: Zoanthids and Palythoa can contain palytoxin and should be treated with great care. Eye protection, mask and gloves are strongly recommended, and care should be taken not to dremmel through the polyps of these corals. If you have never used a rotary tool, or uncomfortable with this process, you should not attempt it.

Typical symptoms of palytoxin poisoning are angina-like chest pains, asthma-like breathing difficulties, tachycardia, unstable blood pressure, hemolysis (destruction of red blood cells), and an electrocardiogram showing an exaggerated T wave. The onset of symptoms is rapid, and death usually follows just minutes after.


Equipment needed:
Rotary Tool (Dremmel or similar tool)
Rotary Tool Cutting Disks
Chisel or Flathead Screwdriver
Hammer
Towels
Holding Bins
Surface you don't care about or scrap plywood.
Eye protection

Prepping your surface:
If you're working on a surface you don't want to mess up, place some plywood under some towels. It makes cleanup much easier. Put the corals you'll be fragging in a bin and keep a clean water bin for the frags so you don't need to run back and forth to your tank.

Prepped working surface
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Coral holding / rinsing bin
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Getting Ready to Cut:
Lay out your rock and try to determine where you want to make your cuts. Be aware that when the rock breaks, it might not break exactly where you want, but with a little practice, you can usually get it close.

Getting ready to make cuts
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Starting your cut:
PUT ON SAFETY GOGGLES NOW
This is especially important if fragging zoanthids, as they contain a palytoxin strong enough even in small doses to kill a human. In addition, use gloves if you have any open cuts, hangnails, etc.

This is where it gets tricky... or fun depending on how you look at it. Turn the rotary tool on low speed. (After a little practice, high speed works better but you should start slow to avoid doing damage to the coral) Begin making your cut, being careful to keep the rotary tool straight to avoid snapping the cutting disk. On a thin rock, you may be able to go right through, but on a larger rock, you'll want a score line all the way around the area you're cutting.

Beginning to cut
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Scoring the side
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All the way around
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When you start doing this it will probably take you awhile to go around so make sure you dip the coral into the holding bucket often to keep it wet. This will also help rinse off any rubble on the rock and let you see what you're doing.

Finishing the cut:
Once you've got a score line you'll need to finish the cut. Use a chisel or flathead screwdriver and get in into the cut you just made. Depending on the thickness of the rock, you may need to hit the rock in multiple places. Tap it with the hammer, move down the line a bit and tap some more. After you do this a few times you'll get a better feel for this.

Starting to chisel the rock
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Going around the score line
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Cleaning Up Loose Ends:
With zoas and other corals that form a mat on the rock, you may need to cut the mat once the rock is broken. A razor blade or scalpel works best for this. Continue wearing your goggles here and try not to cut through any of the polyps, just cut the mat slowly.

Cutting the mat
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The Frags:
The whole process should only take about 2-3 minutes with a little practice, but you can go slow as long as you keep the coral wet. You should get a perfect split almost every time once you get good.

The finished product
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Rinse the frags in the holding bucket again, (this way all of the cloudy water is in one place) then place them in your frag holding container and keep fragging until you're done.

Hope this helps, and let me know if you have any questions.
 
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ShaunW

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You guys are precise, for zoos I just take a hammer and a flathead screwdriver (or a crowbar), and smash the $hit (toxin) out of them.
 
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Is that the antidote in the water bottle? i heard someone on RC got really sick from inhaling zoos vapors, so they are to be taken very seriously. I also highly recommend heavy duty gloves. Forget the toxin, one slip of that wheel and you will frag more than you bargained for.

Very nice of you to take the time to document it.
 

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Yeah I wouldn't ever recommend fragging zoas with a dremel. The last thing you want to do with toxins like that is spray them all over the place with a saw. The hammer chisel method is much less dangerous. As was mentioned if you slip with that blade it's potentially the end of the show.
 

digitalreefer

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If you're careful, fragging zoas with a dremmel is fine, but the eye protection and (especially if you've never done it before) gloves are important.

The rock we fragged was huge and would have been almost impossible to get a decent cut without scoring the rock first. The method also works for blastos, acans, and anything else that you can think of that spreads on a rock.

If, however, I never post here again... do not frag zoas in this manner! :lol:

Tony... bring the video camera and we're on!
Brett... we decided to cook light and drink heavy!
 

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Just to clarify IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO CUT THROUGH WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ONE OF THE MOST DEADLY BIOTOXINS ON THE PLANET WITH A SAW. Regardless of eye and glove protection. Two people that I know of, in only the last 6 months are dead due to careless zoanthid handling.
 
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digitalreefer

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Just to clarify IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO CUT THROUGH WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ONE OF THE MOST DEADLY BIOTOXINS ON THE PLANET WITH A SAW. Regardless of eye and glove protection. Two people that I know of, in only the last 6 months are dead due to careless zoanthid handling.

In these cases, what type of precautions were taken... were they wearing either gloves or eye wear?
 
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Fred, how else would we ever have gotten through that rock without a saw? It was easily four inches thick, and solid. It took E a long time just to make that first break in it. Also, he never once cut through the actual zoa mat - only the rock. The zoa mat was cut carefully between the zoas with a razor blade as shown in the photo. I guess what you COULDN'T see from the photo is the only time Eric dremmeled through the front of the rock, it was in spot where there was no zoanthid growth. (My emerald crabs took out a big chunk of them where macroalgae was growing in between them.)

I would think you'd be in just as much danger from palytoxin if you used a hammer and a chisel with brute force to smash through the rock. If you accidently put the chisel on top of a zoa polyp, that could cause palytoxin to squirt back at you just the same as a saw.

Fragging zoanthids is dangerous, period, no matter what method you use.
 
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digitalreefer

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I'm also not telling anyone to do anything. I did this with a zoa rock and documented it as a way to frag rocks with a dremmel. I thought a tutorial would be a nice thing for the site. Apparently I was wrong.

In addition, someone recently ended up in the hospital because of a rabbit fish... is it irresponsible to keep them, or lionfish... hell, the bacteria in any aquarium can cause severe infection. I guess we're all irresponsible.

If I'm going to get $hit for trying to help the community. I will avoid doing so from now on. I'll simply treat the site like a flea market the way most people do.
 
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herman

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Hey Eric,

I dont think anyone is meaning to directly flame you. Personally I very much appreciate it when people take the time to document things like you have in our hobby.

Although some can see that the dremel was used to score the underside of the rock and not the zoos itself to aid in the splitting of the rock, some might not see it that way and just take the dremel straight to the zoo matt itself. This would result in "zoojuice" spraying everywhere. Included in Zoojuice is Palytoxin, one of the most toxic non-peptide substances known, second only to Maitotoxin. Due to the high rotational speed of the dremel this will become aerosol form which would lead to lots of pain and even death. That would just simply suck cause you cant drink beer & scotch when youre dead man.

I think when doing these tutorials you should post warnings in the first post for the less enlightened on the site :D
 

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